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Out-of-game and unofficial resources

While checking out Lore:Heart of Lorkhan‎, I noticed that popular theories and unofficial material was in the article. As we know, the ideas about the Stones and Towers originated from materials that were not published by Bethesda. Yes, this material was made by developers (some and not all; many times just for fun, as in the case of that Vivec play), but they weren't released in any game or official, published source (as of now). We're not going to say that Vivec blew up Azura and banished her to Oblivion. As seen in the final product of Oblivion, Bethesda scrapped those ideas in favor of the Oblivion Crisis; there aren't any armies of returning Aylieds or Azura seeking revenge in the final product. Really, I don't think we should accept these unofficial sources just because the majority of people at the Imperial Library says so. Here at UESP, we use undisputable facts, not fan-theories about the Dwemer transforming into armor for some robot. --Michaeldsuarez ^{(Talk)/(Contribs)} 23:19, 8 February 2009 (EST)

Resolved. UESPWiki_talk:Lore#Once_More_Unto_the_Breach... Temple-Zero 23:27, 8 February 2009 (EST)

As Temple-Zero has already mentioned, there has been a substantial change in the policy within the lore section. If you wish to discuss that, you're welcome to do so on that page. Anyways, I would say that the UESP is still NOT using fan sources. Michael Kirkbride is a former developer, and did some contract work for plugins for Oblivion. Therefore, I would say that his writings do carry some weight here. Of course, the games do and will continue to have the final say on what is actually canon, but I see no reason to not allow information from an informed source such as MK. --Ratwar 23:54, 8 February 2009 (EST)

Wish that I was there for that. As a editor for Wookieepedia, I believe that only official sources published by the company (Lucas Arts in the case of Wookieepedia) hold weight. I really don't see a reason to worship every word that comes out of MK's mouth; he's not the ultimate authority of The Elder Scrolls. It really should count if it was within the games, rather than a bunch of forum posts. Anything he made outside of the games should in theory hold as much weight as a fan-fic made by you or me. Yes, Mike created many facets of lore, but that's not really a good enough excuse. In the end, you're giving this unofficial material credit for having MK's name on it. --Michaeldsuarez ^{(Talk)/(Contribs)} 00:11, 9 February 2009 (EST)