Skyrim talk:Ebony Blade Victims

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Brother VerulusEdit

I know this page has been dead for a while, but I have a new suggestion. Why not add Brother Verulus to this list? His disposition is increased by the "clear the hall of the dead" misc quest which starts The Taste of Death, and you get to kill him at the end! Seems like an ideal victim to me. 73.162.99.166 18:27, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

He has been confirmed as non-viable at least twice, why this is I can't say as it was so long ago. If he worked for you please relate your actions in the quest and at what point you killed him, and whether you are using USLEEP (though I see no related changes in their log). Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 18:53, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Possibly his disposition is 3 (not 1, 2, or 4) while he is a follower? I'm on console so I can't check. 82.8.187.22 02:53, 9 May 2020 (GMT)

WerewolvesEdit

As a werewolf, I killed and fed on the Forsworn in the mine. I also killed the two miners with the blade, and using the Ritual Stone's ability to revive both the miners and the Forsworn in the immediate area, I got a message saying the heart was eaten and bloodlust extended, even though I wasn't in werewolf form and the Forsworn were reanimated. This could be a useful glitch for those who choose such a route, as I got nearly two extra werewolf perks just from filling out the Ebony Blade. I'm using the Special Edition without any mods, but with the original DLC. The unofficial patch is not being used, either. 46.165.230.5 07:57, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

It sounds like you are at Kolskeggr Mine, but please confirm. There seems to be some sort of bug happening there, so it would need to be reproduced to confirm that. I don't think there's any benefit to this page either, the benefit would be better listed on the lycanthropy page and from what I'm thinking the Ebony Blade doesn't need to be involved for the bug. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 21:34, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Respawning blade targetsEdit

Added note that Stray dogs and Riekling pet followers can be killed, and they are respawning so it is not necessary to kill any named npc's with the blade, but it was reverted.

I find this information useful, and have only now come across it after playing the original Skyrim and the Special Edition for several hundred hours both. Where on the page would this information be valid? --SkyHiRider (talk) 19:32, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Nowhere. The arbitrary nature of the page has already chosen to exclude all followers, except the one from Boethiah's quest which is unique in nature and requirement. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 19:45, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Is it not important information in relevance to the article - an potentially unlimited npc that will complete the quest without the need to touch any other npc's listed on the page? --SkyHiRider (talk) 19:50, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Every one of the people listed already fulfill that condition. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 20:00, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

There's arbitrary, and then there's arbitrary. This seems like useful information to add to the page, and as Silencer pointed out there's already an exception to this supposed "no followers" rule on the article. —Legoless (talk) 21:50, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Can I therefore re-add the information to the page in the format that I previously added it in? --SkyHiRider (talk) 02:31, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

No. Being as I was one of the few people involved in drawing the arbitrary lines I would like to think I have quite a good grasp of where that line is, and that line is no followers. The two on the page have quite specific reasons for being there, while this is just a general tip and about as useful as the note at the bottom which states that any friendly person can be killed over and over. The people listed are there to draw your attention to them, not because they are the only ways to do this, as at least 50% of the people in Skyrim are naturally viable and we are not going to list all of them (the very reason this page needed creating in order to limit the scope). Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 19:16, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

I think it is a bit different, as that follower npc is respawning and therefore safe to use without the loss of any unique npc. But I did not wish to argue about it with you as you seem to have a different opinion than mine. Hence me asking an administrator for guidance. But I find it a bit disappointing and demotivating that a useful bit of information can not be added to this wiki. --SkyHiRider (talk) 23:52, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

I agree, there is zero reason to exclude this information from the page when it is clearly very useful. The whole point of this page is to avoid killing useful NPCs, so a strategy for not having to kill any NPCs at all is essential info. —Legoless (talk) 23:58, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

(←) I must agree with Legoless here. While I don't really think this page itself is particular necessary, I do believe we should not exclude these kind of useful info that could improve the quality and purpose of the article. --Ilaro (talk) 00:14, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

I, also, find myself in agreement with Legoless, SkyHi, and Ilaro. I dislike this page's existence and believe it's ultimately more fit for deletion than expansion, but while it exists then there's no reason to deny the addition of useful information such as what SkyHi's adding. —Fullerton ﴾talk﴿ 01:17, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

I see no reason to exclude this information either. I find it quite useful as I for one would have never suspected that dogs and Riekling followers would be viable targets to charge the Ebony Blade. Enderkingdev (talk) 01:34, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Sadly only Stray Dogs are viable, as Riekling followers do not change relationship rank when recruited. It is also interesting this information was already mentioned on the stray dogs talk page over 5 years ago but was never sadly added to any article. --SkyHiRider (talk) 09:32, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

(←) Allowing all "useful" information is what necessitated this page in the first place, so pushing it back into including all the information that was being added to the Ebony Blade page will only increase the chances of the page being eventually nominated for deletion. My stance is not just about this piece of information, but protecting the page from unnecessary deletion vigilantes in the future, and adding this makes it harder to keep even less "useful" information off the page, eventually leading to the aforementioned desired deletion. Those who want to protect the future of the page must recognise that lines must be drawn, and they must be kept. I don't see how killing a dog is more preferable to killing an NPC, especially when there are some NPCs that will die no-matter-what during quests. And though the dog is random, that also means you may never get one again, cutting you off from a follower. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 18:50, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

The dog however may respawn. And if you get the Ebony blade after doing most of the mentioned quests (which was my case) there are no other options but to kill at least one named NPC. Unless the new information is added. Not everyone plans ahead and might go check this page after all other options are no longer available. But I could add a single line of text to the Ebony Blade page instead, if it would be allowed.--SkyHiRider (talk) 18:56, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

I would say drawing arbitrary lines on a page that is arbitrary by nature is pretty, well, arbitrary. If the purpose of this page is to list "Ebony Blade Victims", then list them all or don't bother. There's no point in having a list on the subject at all if it's not a complete list.

Beyond that, the page emphasises the fact that Not all followers count, and then proceeds to say exactly nowhere which ones those aren't. If it's worth noting in the page at all that "not all followers count", then the purpose of this page should be to say which ones do, otherwise the note is useless. --Enodoc (talk) 19:13, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Per the above I think there's a pretty clear consensus to restore the information to the page. I've re-added the Stray Dog note, but I'm less clear about the situation with rieklings so I left that one alone. —Legoless (talk) 01:29, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Gaius MaroEdit

In my game after killing five victims and joining the Imperial Legion/Empire, I killed him in Winterhold(have not done anything other than join), and got the message from the sword that it counted. 24.181.51.195 14:43, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

I've just had a look through the scripts that involve him and nothing suggests he should be viable, but as I can personally attest, that means nothing. Joining the Legion shouldn't matter as he isn't in any factions that you are in, which would be the only way to bypass the needed disposition increase. Someone else reported him as viable in the archive, so this one needs tested. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 20:12, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

Sibbi Black-BriarEdit

The reason I removed Sibbi Black-Briar is that it is impossible to get to him to use the sword unless you force a glitch. At which point you need him alive in order to escape, but will need to be arrested in order to do that. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 13:27, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Skyrim:DeejaEdit

I see that this discussion was already raised once, in the archived part of this page, but since its result is somehow not on the page, I will raise it again. I am going through Lights Out right now, and Deeja does *not* gain any relationship ranks before the point where she turns hostile - I even checked it with the console. She doesn't work for the blade.

On additional testing, neither Jaree-Ra himself seems to be working. I am at the Broken Oar Grotto and checking with the console, relationship rank is still (0). I am playing SE if that matters. Flia (talk) 12:21, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

• Deeja and Jaree-Ra will become hostile during the quest Lights Out!. Since their favor is gained as part of the quest, they are valid victims for the Ebony Blade.

Moving here, per this comment. --AKB ^{Talk Cont Mail} 18:37, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

ElmusEdit

I think Elmus' favor quest does need to be completed first, I couldn't get all 4 kills to count before I did his quest but got all 4 afterwards. GarGwill (talk) 20:34, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Galmar the second-in-command StormcloakEdit

I got credit for killing Galmar (along with Mjoll as follower) during the raid on Windhelm with the Ebony Blade. I was sided with the Imperials (obviously). The only reason I can think of that I earned enough disposition with him is because I held the Peace Treaty between the Imperials and Stormcloaks before joining the Imperials. I gave Makarth to the Stormcloaks and Riften to the Imperials (which would give me the ability to unlock the Hero achievement). For Phase 2 I gave no further property to the Stormcloaks. I then completed the main (dragon) quest. After that I joined the Imperials to complete the Civil War. I largely avoided side and misc quests so that shouldn't be a factor in why he was considered a friendly disposition.

Theoretically, if this is how it worked for Galmar I would expect it to work the same for Rikke. — Unsigned comment by Shadohz (talk • contribs) at 08:08 on 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Console commandEdit

Was wondering if the console command should be included here. setrelationshiprank player (1,2, or 4) Just need to fast travel to the nearest bandit camp and target each bandit for the id information and then adjust their relationship, before killing them. I adjusted each to 4, but I'm guessing it doesn't matter as long as they are at least 1.Then raise them if you want to in order to reduce the number of times to type. Stjammic21 (talk) 03:03, 17 March 2024 (UTC)