Lore talk:Nirn

AetheriusEdit

Regarding Aetherius, it is interesting to point out that when Tiber Septim died, his spirit was probably sent there, as most spirits do. If the Aedra did not reside in the realm, then how did Tiber Septim become one of them? Such evidence suggests that the notion of the Aedra inhabiting Aetherius is more than "wishful thinking." — Unsigned comment by 70.59.209.253 (talk) at 18:57 on 6 May 2007‎

mythic historyEdit

This could be an entire article, not a children's story. — Unsigned comment by 24.31.156.165 (talk) at 00:21 on 27 March 2008‎

Laws of Physics on NirnEdit

I hope in the next game Bethesda includes alot more of the Laws of Physics. For example, there should be running water that carries you, ships and items. There should also be rapid tide changes considering Nirn has two moons. This means that plenty of land could be covered in water at one time, and dry the next. Any comments or other Laws of Physics that need to be included? --Matthewest ^{•T•C•E•} 05:11, 9 September 2008 (EDT)

There is nothing past the sky in the same dimension as Nirn. Masser and Secunda are flesh-divinities rotting in Oblivion, the Sun and the stars are rips in the sky to the Aetherius. — Unsigned comment by 64.30.212.239 (talk) on 20 feb 2011

Maybe a mistakeEdit

it says at the bottom of the article that theres a constellation called Sithis, but i think its meant to say Serpent? If im wrong, someone tell me, and i will learn something ^_^Mor'tar'iit 01:37, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Yep, you're right. The description of the constellation fits perfectly with the one of The Serpent. --S'drassa ^•T2M 05:32, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

????Edit

Would there be any elements of a Solar System. Or even space? — Unsigned comment by TheImperialBloodBrother (talk • contribs) on 27 April 2010

I don't understand your question. Please can you be clearer? rpeh •T•C•E• 10:21, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

I believe the question is, essentially "would there be any form of outer space as we know it, and if so, would there be any sort of solar system (i.e. other planets, sun, etc.)?"julio144 18:49, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't think so. Mundus is surrounded by Oblivion, and the stars are basically just tears in the sky. --Aeon 20:16, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

The sun is a giant burning ball of magicka and Masser ans Secunda are the rotting corpse of Lorkhan IIRC.--^Corevette₇₈₉ 20:35, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Well, there would be a planetary system at least, not sure if the sun (Magnus) would be a celestial body or not. It is most commonly described as a hole in the surrounding Oblivion through to Aetherius. But the planets and moons are the planes of the Aedra, the gods. Masser and Secunda are the broken remains of Lorkhan, as mentioned, and the other gods have their plane(t)s as well. Even the King of Worms, who ascended to godhood just a few decades before the events of TESIV: Oblivion, is represented by a moon, the Necromancer's Moon. Might want to read The Lunar Lorkhan to learn more on this. The planetary system is also shown by the Dwemer Orreries, there should be a screenshot showing the one in TESIV somewhere if you don't have the game. Quill 22:18, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Should this be notedEdit

On the page it mentions other continents outside of tamriel, yet it only mentions Yokuda Atmora and Akavir, should Aldmeris be mentioned too? Emzi43 20:03, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Well, according to Lore:Aldmeris it is not even sure, whether it was an actual location or just a collection of remembered images. --Alfwyn 20:39, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Lore:Pyandonea, however is most definitely a confirmed landmass on Nirn, that is missing from the list. -- 76.10.142.27 01:08, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

another mapEdit

Is this map [1] reliable? -Andil the mage, not signed in — Unsigned comment by 94.5.90.17 (talk) at 08:21 on 27 January 2012‎

Preacher in Whiterun (Skyrim)Edit

Did anyone else notice that the preacher in Whiterun complains about the elves barely being able to tolerate humans on Earth? --Am_i_evil_90 00:07, 19 February 2012‎

Another Daedric Realm?Edit

Mankar Camoran alleged that Lorkhan was actually a Daedric Lord and viewed Nirn not as a world behind the veil of Oblivion, but another realm of Oblivion among the others. This would, of course, mean that Akatosh's covenant with St. Alessia was less a magnanimous blessing, and more a way for him to consolidate control over a realm which wasn't rightly his. While this theory is not beyond the realm of possibility, it is generally considered to be nothing more than an aspect of Camoran's lunacy.

Shouldn`t it be noted that "Nirn" is possibly just another deadric realm? — Unsigned comment by 77.166.160.62 (talk) at 13:47 on 2 May 2012

View from Throat of the World - Nirn is not sphericalEdit

The planet of Nirn as seen from the Throat of the World mountain in the game Skyrim, does not seem to be spherical. The oceans seen from TotW does not curve away. From the altitudes like the top of TotW the curving of a spherical world should be seen clearly along the horizon, but the border between sea and sky is far to high up compared with distant lands to be the view limit observed from a high observation point on a sphere. I believe the game graphics are not intentionally created so, but I can not be sure, as there, as far as I can find, is no explicit indications in the games that Nirn is a sphere? --MortenOSlash 17:37, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

In Daggerfall there is an example of a globe. ->

As far as I know Nirn appears to have no curvature because it's REALLY REALLY BIG. JK I think it's because the water level has to be flat because the developers didn't make ALL of Nirn. Therefore, Skyrim is like D&D, being played on a flat table... with mountains. --Dotto88 (talk) 04:40, 26 October 2013 (GMT)

Game limitations. Skyrim's world is flat, the same as every other video game world I've ever seen. Curvature probably isn't the easiest thing to implement, nor the most important detail. —Legoless (talk) 19:18, 26 October 2013 (GMT)

Fallout is nirn?Edit

One of my freinds said that the fallout series is still on the planet Nirn, just alot later in the future. Is this true? I kinda see how it could be as they couldve changed the name to earth in the future and tamriel could be pangea (however thats spelt like the huge landmass that all continents used to be) until it split into all the continents. Skylar1146 16:37, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

As far as i'm aware, it isn't the same world. I can't see why it would be either, is there anything in Fallout that states as such? --kiz ^talk_email 16:40, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Fallout takes place on earth. A parrallel earth that split after the second world war. The Silencer has spoken^Talk 16:55, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Nirn meaningEdit

The page quotes Cosmology as UOL, but this source also states that Nirn means Arena in Ehlnofex. Shouldn't it be changed to something like 'Nirn (which means 'Gray Maybe'[1] or 'Arena'[UOL 1] in Ehlnofex)'? Also, TES:Arena intro states that the people of Tamriel called their world Arena. Savor Valandros (talk) 14:24, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

I don't understand why we would need to cite Cosmology when there are plenty of primary sources calling Nirn the Arena. —⁠Legoless (talk) 18:40, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

As Legoless said, there's no reason to reference Cosmology when literally the opening crawl of the first game explains the nickname. --AKB ^{Talk Cont Mail} 20:11, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

I don't think the issue is that Nirn's Ehlnofex name means two different things, but rather, doesn't the name Arena usually refer to Tamriel specifically? I always believed Cosmology made a minor mistake calling Nirn the Arena when it's really Tamriel, based off The Brothers of Darkness. After all, Nirn and Tamriel are usually treated one in the same when the game's setting is described, it was probably just a mix-up. It was probably a transcription error like the siege of Orsinium dated as 1e 480 instead of 1e 980 for example. The Rim of the Sky (talk) 23:20, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

I've not found a single source that explicitly states that Nirn can be translated to 'Arena' except for the Cosmology article. Usually this word is used as an epithet. On the other hand, both Mundus and Nirn are translated as 'Gray Maybe' in different sources (PGE3 and Monomyth). So I suggest not to refute any of the translations, but add them both as different versions. It's also curious that until February 2019 the article started with 'Nirn (believed to mean 'Arena' in Ehlnofex)', but then it was changed to 'Nirn (which means 'Gray Maybe' in Ehlnofex[1])' by Lost in Hyrule. The same user also removed translations for both Nirn and Mundus in Ehlnofex Languages. I suggest the Nirn, Mundus and Ehlnofex Languages articles are edited back with correct translations using following sources: Cosmology, PGE3, The Monomyth. Savor Valandros (talk) 01:31, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

I believe the confusion here is due to the fact that the terms Tamriel, Nirn, and Mundus are used interchangeably to refer to "the world". For instance, here is a Daedra referring to Daedric clan names as "arena-terms, nicknames for use when trafficking with mortals"—I sincerely doubt she is referring only to the continent of Tamriel in that context. —⁠Legoless (talk) 12:50, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

I previously made the change as the UOL term was in the opening of the article, whereas the official translation was missing from the page. My default assumption is that once OL disagrees with UOL, the latter is now obsolete. We also aim to avoid UOL in the opening of an article. As it seemed relevant to Savor, I moved the 'Arena' translation to a Note. --Lost in Hyrule (talk) 19:45, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

(←) I'm with lost. If there wasn't an official translation, we could use the Cosmology, but as soon as there is an official translation, we should cease to use cosmology at all. That's what our guidelines say. I'd propose we remove mentions of Cosmology entirely. Jeancey (talk) 00:25, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Recent EditEdit

I reverted a recent edit that changed the tone of the opening paragraph to cast doubt on Lorkhan and Magnus being chiefly responsible. Another edit should be made to reflect there are origin stories without him (see Lore:The Annotated Anuad as an example), but I couldn't think of an elegant enough final version at this time. Will return to this task when I came if someone doesn't beat me to it. --AKB ^{Talk Cont Mail} 07:24, 10 March 2022 (UTC)